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Notes for lines 2023-2950 ed. Frank N. Clary
For explanation of sigla, such as jen, see the editions bib.
2843 And as the world were now but to beginne,4.5.104
1790 ANON
ANON
2843-5 Anonymous (Gentleman’s Magazine, 1790, 60: 403): “This natural description of a riotous rabble has employed the ingenuity of the most able of the commentators, who, after all, leave the meaning as doubtful as ever. If I may venture to give an opinion, I would place these lines in a parenthesis, and not have any reference to what precedes or follows them, as descriptive of riotous mobs, who, unwilling to submit to the ties of society, endeavour to overturn all practice sanctioned by antiquity, and all salutary law established by custom, which are the ratifiers, supporters, or props of every ward, society, or kingdom of the world; and to return to that state of nature and savage ferocity which had employed the wisdom of ages to reduce to a state of society, where some natural rights must be given up, in order to secure the most valuable.”
1810-3 mclr1
mclr1: warb
2843-5 Coleridge (ms. notes 1813 in THEOBALD, ed. 1773; rpt. Coleridge, 1998, 12.4:744): <p. 744>“Fearful and self-suspicious as I always feel when I seem to see an error of judgement in Shak . . . , yet I cannot reconcile the cool ‘rational & consequential’ reflection in these 3 lines with the anonymousness or the alarm of the Messenger.”</p. 744>
1819 mclr
mclr
2843-5 And as . . . euery word] Coleridge (ms. notes in Theobald, ed. 1773): “Fearful and self-suspicious as I always feel when I seem to see an error of judgement in Shak:, yet I cannot reconcile the cool or rational & consequential reflection in these 3 lines with the anonymous messenger [X X X] He forgets abt actors. This actor doesn’t have much of a role. Here is his chance to say something significant, to have a real speech. Also, this gives him time to give Claudius and Gertrude chances to react.”
Transcribed by BWK, who adds the following remark about the bracketed Xs: “I can’t read the last three words, which are squeezed to the bottom and faint.”
1856 hud1 (1851-6)
hud1
2843 as] Hudson(ed. 1851-6): “As has here the force of as if. The explanation sometimes given of the passage is, that the rabble are the ratifiers and props of every idle word. The plain sense is, that antiquity and custom are the ratifiers and props of every sound word touching the matter in hand, the ordering of human society and the State. H.”
1868 c&mc
c&mc
2843 Clarke & Clarke (ed. 1868, rpt. 1878): “The word ‘as’ here has the force of ‘as if,’ and the sentence is parenthetical—‘ratifiers and props’ referring to ‘antiquity’ and ‘custom.’”
1872 cln1
cln1: Tro. //
2843 as] Clark and Wright (ed. 1872): “as if. Compare Tro. [3.3.167 (2020)]: ‘And with his arms outstretch’d as he would fly.’”
1877 v1877
v1877: xref.
2843 as] Furness (ed. 1877): “See [3.4.135 (2518)] n.”
1878 rlf1
rlf1 ≈ v1877 (xref.) without attribution
2843 as] Rolfe (ed. 1878): “As if. Cf. [3.4.135 (2518)] above.”
1891 dtn
dtn
2843 as . . . beginne] Deighton (ed. 1891): “as though the world had only now to be started on its career.”
1903 rlf3
rlf3 = rlf1 for as
1939 kit2
kit2
2843-6 And . . . choose we] Kittredge (ed. 1939): “And, as if—with no remembrance of ancient institutions and no knowledge of settled custom—the world were to begin at the present moment, they, the rabble, assuming the right to ratify and support any and every suggestion that takes their fancy, cry out ‘Let us choose!’ Ratifiers and props refers to they, the rabble.”
1947 cln2
cln2 = rlf1 minus xref.
2843 as] Rylands (ed. 1947): “as if.”
1974 evns1
evns1 = cln2
2843 as] Evans (ed. 1974): “as if.”
1980 pen2
pen2
2843 as . . . beginne] Spencer (ed. 1980): “as if civilized life were only now to be created (instead of having been in existence from time immemorial).”
1982 ard2
ard2: xref.
2843 word] Jenkins (ed. 1982): “motto, maxim. Proposed emendations all rest on a failure to grasp the sense of the passage. The ratifiers and props are not (as too often explained) the rabble, but antiquity (ancient tradition) and custom, by which a maxim, a guiding-phrase of conduct, needs to be upheld – as it conspicuously is not in the case of the word now being cried (see next line). Cf. [1.5.110 (795)] and n.”
1988 bev2
bev2 = evns1 for as (2843)
1997 evns2
evns2 = evns1
2006 ard3q2
ard3q2: 2279-96 xref
2843-5 Thompson & Taylor (ed. 2006): “There is something incongruous about the Messenger’s rather grandiose invocation of Antiquity and custom on the side of this particular king, but it is not unlike the flattery voiced by Guildenstern and Rosencrantz at 3.3.7-23 [2279-96].”

ard3q2
2843 as. . . begin] Thompson & Taylor (ed. 2006): “i.e. as if social institutions and civil government were now being invented for the first time.”
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